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Bonus TGC25 Episode: Conversations with Gary Schnittjer & Matt Harmon and Michael Keller

Michael Keller sitting at a podcast mic in the TGC conference center

In this bonus episode of Defragmenting, recorded at the Gospel Coalition’s 2025 National Conference, Dr. Keith Plummer talks with New Testament scholar Dr. Matt Harmon and Cairn’s own Distinguished Professor of Old Testament, Dr. Gary Schnittjer, about their book How to Study the Bible’s Use of the Bible: Seven Hermeneutical Choices for the Old and New Testaments. They explain how the Old Testament use of Scripture is integral to understanding the New Testament author’s use of Scripture.

Later in the episode, we’ll also hear from Dr. Michael Keller, Senior Pastor of Redeemer, Lincoln Square, about what it means to faithfully contextualize the gospel and why it’s so important. He also gives us a preview of a book that arose from conversations between him and his dad, Pastor Tim Keller, before his death, as well as unpublished writings by Tim following his going to be with the Lord. At the time of recording, the title was Unsettled. We know now it’s The Stories We Live By: How Jesus Critiques and Completes What Our Culture Tells Us.

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Keith Plummer

Dr. Keith Plummer is the dean of the School of Divinity at Cairn University and a fellow with the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics.

Gary Schnittjer

Gary Edward Schnittjer teaches biblical Hebrew and Old Testament for the School of Divinity at Cairn University. He is the author of several books, including the award-winning Old Testament Use of Old Testament. See his free newsletter at carpentersstudent.com.

Matthew Harmon headshot

Dr. Matthew Harmon is professor of New Testament Studies at Grace College and Theological Seminary in Winona Lake, Indiana.

headshot of Michael Keller

Dr. Michael Keller is the founding and senior pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church–Lincoln Square.

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